WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:14.458 Myself, welcome everyone to our. 2 00:00:14.458 --> 00:00:26.423 Learning experience today, more than pronouns why it matters as part of our pride, inclusive communities, learning series before we begin happy pride. 3 00:00:26.423 --> 00:00:36.323 Everyone, we are so thrilled that you are here with us. Today. My name is sherry and my pronouns. Are she her? And I'm honored. 4 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:43.409 To be supporting our time together as we begin our experience today. 5 00:00:43.409 --> 00:00:48.210 I just want to check that the slides are visible to people. 6 00:00:51.149 --> 00:01:03.329 I'll just take a moment. Outstanding. Thank you, Margaret. If you can just. 7 00:01:03.329 --> 00:01:08.280 Further ahead to our land acknowledgement. 8 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:10.799 So, 9 00:01:10.795 --> 00:01:13.855 as we begin our experience today, 10 00:01:14.245 --> 00:01:18.534 I'd like to knowledge that the let the land for sustaining us, 11 00:01:18.534 --> 00:01:19.765 and for providing us, 12 00:01:19.765 --> 00:01:21.504 with the necessities of life, 13 00:01:22.075 --> 00:01:26.424 this territory is covered by the dish with 1 spoon treaty. 14 00:01:26.424 --> 00:01:35.064 And the 2 treaty, which emphasized the importance of joint stewardship, peace and respectful relationships. 15 00:01:35.549 --> 00:01:43.409 As we reflect on the land acknowledgement, let us remember that we are all stewards of the land and of each other. 16 00:01:43.915 --> 00:01:52.405 We recognize that the land on which we gather has been and still is the traditional territory of several indigenous nations, 17 00:01:52.704 --> 00:01:53.665 including the, 18 00:01:54.775 --> 00:01:57.655 the who shown a confederacy the windac, 19 00:01:57.685 --> 00:01:57.834 the, 20 00:01:58.795 --> 00:02:01.375 and the mississauga's of the credit 1st nation, 21 00:02:02.155 --> 00:02:10.194 since time immemorial numerous indigenous nations and indigenous people's have lived and passed through this territory. 22 00:02:10.590 --> 00:02:21.330 I myself and shared in college affirm it is our collective responsibility to honor this land and we honor and we respect those who have gone before us. 23 00:02:21.330 --> 00:02:25.080 Those who are here now and those who have yet to come. 24 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:31.590 We are so grateful for the opportunity to be learning working and thriving on this lens. 25 00:02:31.590 --> 00:02:34.949 So, as we acknowledge the land. 26 00:02:34.949 --> 00:02:40.409 It was important for the panelists as we welcome you to this experience. 27 00:02:40.409 --> 00:02:44.340 That we set an intention for our time together. 28 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:49.169 So, we come together today in community. 29 00:02:49.169 --> 00:02:52.830 To learn with and to learn from. 30 00:02:52.830 --> 00:02:57.870 What does that mean to learn with and to learn from. 31 00:02:57.870 --> 00:03:07.080 As we join the table as panelists, we make an invitation to you to join our table. 32 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:12.539 And from what I gather, this is a very large table today, perhaps. 33 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:16.620 The largest table that our series has had to date. 34 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:21.659 And we make an invitation to you to join us to sit with. 35 00:03:21.659 --> 00:03:24.810 To learn from to witness. 36 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:28.289 To be seen to be heard. 37 00:03:28.289 --> 00:03:32.939 To listen to receive and to hold space with. 38 00:03:32.939 --> 00:03:38.819 And in doing, so we recognize that we all come to this table. 39 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:43.139 With different lived experiences at college. 40 00:03:43.139 --> 00:03:50.009 So some of us today come to this table to learn for the very 1st time. 41 00:03:50.009 --> 00:03:54.900 Welcome others come to understand. 42 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:58.830 In new ways today we welcome you. 43 00:03:58.830 --> 00:04:07.770 Yet some of our members of our community have come to our table to share the truth of their lived to experiences. 44 00:04:07.770 --> 00:04:14.669 And so we, thank them in advance for their willing willingness to invite us into their lives. 45 00:04:15.689 --> 00:04:25.379 By inviting each other to this table, we share the intention to honor all of the paths that have brought us here today. 46 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:30.869 And we affirm that no matter where you are in your journey today. 47 00:04:30.869 --> 00:04:34.319 That you are all welcome at this table. 48 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.218 We make this our table today. 49 00:04:38.218 --> 00:04:43.649 We also want to acknowledge that in the sharing of our lived experiences. 50 00:04:43.649 --> 00:04:48.988 Some of the content and language may be triggering for some of us. 51 00:04:48.988 --> 00:04:54.598 And so, in support, we have 1 of our counsellors Kate Hamel with us. 52 00:04:55.223 --> 00:05:09.923 Please reach out directly to Kate townhome during our time together in this webinar and after, if should you need support through our online booking system and this information will be made available in the chat. 53 00:05:11.309 --> 00:05:14.999 So, now that we've declared our intentions. 54 00:05:14.999 --> 00:05:19.108 Let's take a moment to light up that chat. 55 00:05:19.108 --> 00:05:23.399 With all of your own intentions for what you hope. 56 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.608 To come and to learn from. 57 00:05:26.608 --> 00:05:31.949 In our experience today, so just take a moment if you feel. 58 00:05:31.949 --> 00:05:37.678 Inclined to to share your intentions of learning within the chat. 59 00:05:39.629 --> 00:05:48.178 As we do, so, as you take that time to reflect on what your intentions are, we invite you as panelists. 60 00:05:48.178 --> 00:05:53.848 To continue to ask questions in the chat throughout our experience today. 61 00:05:53.848 --> 00:05:59.249 Or, if you feel that you would like to, to raise their hand. 62 00:05:59.249 --> 00:06:04.259 And we will invite you in to the discussion as we are able. 63 00:06:04.259 --> 00:06:08.519 Or we will return to you during the designated time. 64 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:21.928 I also would like to make note that our webinar today is being recorded, and it will be made available at a later date on source. 65 00:06:23.908 --> 00:06:38.093 So now that we've set our intentions, and we come together to learn on such an important topic during such an important month for members of our community, I'd like, you, I'd like to introduce you to our panelists. 66 00:06:38.483 --> 00:06:44.514 All of whom are very proud members of shared and buildings positive space committee. 67 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.619 So, if I could have our panelists. 68 00:06:50.819 --> 00:06:57.988 Uh, the slide of our panelists, thank you. And if our panelists maybe could come forward, if they feel that they're able. 69 00:06:57.988 --> 00:07:06.928 So 1st, we have Andrew homes. Andrew is 1 of our counselors that Sheraton Andrew uses he him and they them pronouns. 70 00:07:06.928 --> 00:07:15.988 Part of andrew's role at Sheridan is to work with the Q2 plus community through counseling resource support. 71 00:07:15.988 --> 00:07:20.548 And advocacy, thank you so much, Andrew, for being with us today. 72 00:07:20.548 --> 00:07:26.309 Next we have Dina. 73 00:07:26.309 --> 00:07:35.158 Dina has how many different roles at Sheridan, including being an accessible learning advisor professor, an educational development consultant. 74 00:07:35.158 --> 00:07:46.858 Her approach embraces an intentional, holistic lens and the design of facilitation of teaching and learning experiences that are grounded in the core values of equity empathy. 75 00:07:46.858 --> 00:07:57.178 And critical reflection, Dina holds and Amad in curriculum and instruction, and currently is working towards her PhD in educational sustainability. 76 00:07:57.803 --> 00:08:10.374 She's a lover of reading plants, everything, food related, and I know this for a fact, HandStands and spending time with her partner 2 children and Teddy. Their mini golden Doodle. 77 00:08:10.374 --> 00:08:13.553 Welcome, Dina Thank you so much for being with us. 78 00:08:13.649 --> 00:08:25.348 corin corn is a 23 year old trend student who just completed the social service worker program here at Sheridan. 79 00:08:25.348 --> 00:08:32.578 Congratulations, corin, he is passionate about queer education and activism and hopes to work in the field. 80 00:08:32.578 --> 00:08:45.658 1 day soon during his social work, practicum he developed the pronouns and us. Some of you may have had the privilege of that experience to educate others on the importance of pronoun use. 81 00:08:47.604 --> 00:09:00.683 And I just, I suppose, I should introduce myself a little bit more detail. My name is sherry, as I said, I identify as queer. I am married. I don't have to read this off the sheet. 82 00:09:00.714 --> 00:09:13.313 I'm married to my partner, Christine Pearson, and we lived together in Toronto and the beaches area with our pop basil. I'm a social psychologist by train. My P. H. D. 83 00:09:13.313 --> 00:09:19.583 was in the study of the impact of discrimination and stereotyping on the development of ourselves. 84 00:09:20.339 --> 00:09:31.644 Um, I've served as a mentor, a faculty mentor in many institutions, post secondary institutions with respect to a building, positive space and inclusive communities. 85 00:09:31.854 --> 00:09:35.813 I joined Sharon and 2016 as the associate dean teaching and learning, 86 00:09:35.813 --> 00:09:36.563 and very recently, 87 00:09:36.563 --> 00:09:41.604 I've had the privilege of becoming the strategic lead for shared and new, 88 00:09:41.604 --> 00:09:41.994 um, 89 00:09:41.994 --> 00:09:45.053 a signature learning experience, 90 00:09:45.083 --> 00:09:45.653 uh, 91 00:09:45.653 --> 00:09:46.943 called R. 92 00:09:47.244 --> 00:09:56.153 A. S factor and now called our essence. So, I'm so honored and, uh, thrilled to be moderating and sharing in this learning experience today. 93 00:09:58.198 --> 00:10:05.129 So those are our panelists, and now I like just to do a brief overview of our agenda. 94 00:10:05.129 --> 00:10:11.188 So that I can stop talking and I can do more listening as was part of my. 95 00:10:11.188 --> 00:10:15.538 Intention today, so if Margaret, if you could just. 96 00:10:15.538 --> 00:10:28.198 Move forward to the next slide so for our agenda today we are going to start. We've started with this intention. 97 00:10:28.198 --> 00:10:32.369 And then we're going to move into building a shared understanding. 98 00:10:32.369 --> 00:10:40.078 So, that's going to focus on supporting our understanding of the use of pronouns their meaning and their significance. 99 00:10:40.078 --> 00:10:48.869 And then we're going to move to, uh, listening and hearing the lift experiences of some of the members of our panel. 100 00:10:48.869 --> 00:10:55.678 And they will focus on what it was like, for their pronouns to be used for the 1st time. 101 00:10:55.678 --> 00:11:01.288 And the impact of of on their experiences. 102 00:11:01.288 --> 00:11:07.708 Then we will turn to a reflection on what it means to be an ally and community. 103 00:11:07.708 --> 00:11:13.948 And Dina will take us through that, and then we will return to our intention. 104 00:11:13.948 --> 00:11:18.178 And we will do a reflection on our commitment to positive space. 105 00:11:18.178 --> 00:11:21.599 And then we will talk about actions forward. 106 00:11:21.599 --> 00:11:25.019 And then we will close our time together. 107 00:11:25.019 --> 00:11:28.708 So, I'd now like to invite corn forward. 108 00:11:28.708 --> 00:11:34.259 To, uh, take us through an experience on building our shared understanding. 109 00:11:36.264 --> 00:11:49.254 For sure Hi, everyone I'm Karen, and I'm just going to go over a few things more terminology and basic understandings. That will help with building your knowledge about the queer community. 110 00:11:50.423 --> 00:11:55.313 So, the 1st, thing is pronouns. A lot of people kind of get tripped up on pronouns. 111 00:11:55.313 --> 00:12:07.764 And I've heard so many situations where there's some people who are like, oh, I don't use pronouns a pronoun is just an identifier that you can use for someone in the place of their name. 112 00:12:08.124 --> 00:12:19.614 If the person that you're talking about, or talking to is already made known in your conversation, and you're writing that sort of thing. So common sets of pronouns would include things. 113 00:12:19.614 --> 00:12:30.024 Like, I me, you, we or we've got she her, he him, they them and we've also got Neo pronouns. 114 00:12:30.683 --> 00:12:40.433 Neil pronouns tend to get people a little bit more tripped up as they're not quite as common, but they're just other ways that you can identify people in a gender neutral sense. 115 00:12:40.524 --> 00:12:46.583 Some examples of those would be as these them he here or fanfare. 116 00:12:48.714 --> 00:13:00.864 Then we've got gender identity versus gender expression. So, a thing that I like to keep in mind is gender is who you are, and expression is how you present. 117 00:13:01.644 --> 00:13:09.293 So, your gender identity is going to be something that's just an 88 to you. You know, that that's you, that's exactly how you feel. 118 00:13:09.293 --> 00:13:16.793 That's not something that's really going to change too much, whereas your expression can change drastically. 119 00:13:16.793 --> 00:13:24.563 I like to use drag as an example to help identify the difference between identity and expression because. 120 00:13:26.038 --> 00:13:40.979 When you look at drag, you've got your drag kings, you've got your drag queens, and they take the concept of gender expression and stretch it to the very absolute limits. So you'll see extreme ideas of femininity presented in. 121 00:13:40.979 --> 00:13:45.173 Big extravagant make up in dresses and Whigs, 122 00:13:45.203 --> 00:13:57.083 or you can see people using make up to completely change their bone structure to make themselves appeared to the absolute Max of masculinity and drag King shows. 123 00:13:57.594 --> 00:14:00.443 Things like that are going to be examples of expression. 124 00:14:01.764 --> 00:14:14.124 And feel free to put any questions in the chat. If any of this is a little bit confusing, or you'd like, more clarification. Uh, the next 1 would be transgender versus CIS gender. 125 00:14:14.153 --> 00:14:25.884 So, trans and CIS are just prefixes. They mean, processes on the side of and for trends is on the other side of and it's just to describe someone who. 126 00:14:26.339 --> 00:14:40.974 Identifies with their sex assigned at birth. So, someone who was assigned female at birth and identifies as a woman would be such gender or you would have someone transgender who does not identify with the sex that they were assigned at birth. 127 00:14:41.394 --> 00:14:49.673 So, if someone was assigned female, but they identify as mail, they are transgender. A big thing to keep in mind is that these are adjectives. 128 00:14:50.609 --> 00:14:56.458 You would never use transgender as a noun. You would say. 129 00:14:56.458 --> 00:15:01.678 That person is transgender not that that is a transgender. 130 00:15:03.894 --> 00:15:11.604 As for the Neo pronouns, a lot of them have been in use since the early 19 hundreds. 131 00:15:11.964 --> 00:15:26.543 So, for example, as these them, or is easier, they started being used in the late 18 hundreds until around 1920. there's going to be some resources made available at the end. 132 00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:39.028 And I think that we will have a an info graphic with some more information on pronouns available to you the last section on this. 133 00:15:39.028 --> 00:15:46.313 Would be trans and non binary identities, so non binary identities differ a little bit, but do fall under the trends umbrella. 134 00:15:46.884 --> 00:15:55.553 Someone who is non binary does not their identity does not fit neatly into the 2 little binary boxes of male or female. 135 00:15:55.734 --> 00:16:06.173 I like to imagine gender identity as more of a color spectrum, rather than a sliding scale and you can kind of fall anywhere on that little spectrum. 136 00:16:06.533 --> 00:16:19.193 Non binary identities are going to be anywhere inside outside, or in, between the spectrum of male and female. So, they may be completely detached from those identities. 137 00:16:19.193 --> 00:16:22.344 They could feel a gender, or they could feel. 138 00:16:23.099 --> 00:16:31.168 Everything kind of all at once some people could feel completely gender fluid in that sense. And those are just non binary identities. 139 00:16:31.168 --> 00:16:41.399 And if anyone has any questions, I would be happy to answer them. Otherwise I think we can move on to the next section. 140 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:52.678 Thank you so much corin, let's pause and see if there are any questions that anyone would like to ask corn right now. 141 00:16:56.333 --> 00:17:08.213 Okay, so if anything comes up for you, you can certainly place that into the chat and we can reconnect to that during our question and answer period. 142 00:17:08.243 --> 00:17:13.913 Thank you so much corn for taking us through building. Our shared understanding. 143 00:17:13.913 --> 00:17:24.683 I'd like to now move us to a sharing from members of our panel on their lived experiences. 144 00:17:24.894 --> 00:17:29.423 And so I ask Andrew incor and to come forward. 145 00:17:29.699 --> 00:17:35.519 And to talk about what it was, like, the 1st time, someone used your pronouns. 146 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:42.749 And to also share some of your experiences and reflections on the impact of not using pronouns. 147 00:17:42.749 --> 00:17:46.709 Thank you so much. Yeah for sure. 148 00:17:46.709 --> 00:17:57.778 Um, so having your pronouns used correctly is something that I find a lot of people don't really. 149 00:17:57.778 --> 00:18:12.594 Like, it's not something that a lot of people will encounter a lot if they're not like, intimately aware of the trans community. And for me, when I was 1st gendered correctly, it was like, something clicked inside my head. 150 00:18:12.923 --> 00:18:13.614 So. 151 00:18:14.578 --> 00:18:16.074 I always had this, 152 00:18:16.193 --> 00:18:16.463 like, 153 00:18:16.493 --> 00:18:24.653 innate feeling of just something is incorrect and the 1st time that someone referred to me as, 154 00:18:24.713 --> 00:18:25.044 like, 155 00:18:25.074 --> 00:18:27.713 sir or as young man, 156 00:18:27.743 --> 00:18:30.203 or as oh, 157 00:18:30.203 --> 00:18:37.703 that's a nice young boy that just felt so right inside for me. 158 00:18:38.364 --> 00:18:42.443 And it's almost an indescribable feeling of just. 159 00:18:42.749 --> 00:18:45.929 Being recognized for who I am. 160 00:18:48.894 --> 00:18:49.644 So, 161 00:18:49.824 --> 00:18:50.304 for me, 162 00:18:50.304 --> 00:19:05.034 I don't really remember the 1st time that somebody used my pronouns correctly but I do remember this significant moment in my life where I grew up as a child where I was 163 00:19:05.034 --> 00:19:06.743 free to explore who I was, 164 00:19:06.743 --> 00:19:16.374 and my shirt was off by my best buddy was my dad and went fishing we did all of those kinds of things and then when puberty hit and my body changed, 165 00:19:16.374 --> 00:19:20.363 and it felt like a real betrayal that ended my relationship with my dad. 166 00:19:21.384 --> 00:19:35.814 I was no longer. I was seen as a daughter is seen as female, and that really there was a real disconnect that lasted for a long time. And then about 7 years ago, when I came out to my family, there are surprises along the way. 167 00:19:36.084 --> 00:19:49.614 And most of them high level, all them had difficulties with the idea that I was a transgendered person and what that meant for me that I want to use him pronouns. And I had suspected. 168 00:19:50.304 --> 00:19:58.403 That my mom would be the champion in the family, and she was not and to my surprise, it was my dad. 169 00:19:58.463 --> 00:20:08.273 And so when he, when I started hearing him referred to me as he referred to me as Andrew. But he took it a step farther. 170 00:20:08.304 --> 00:20:15.894 And he was the 1 that championed the family, and he was the 1 that corrected people to say. No, that's Andrew. 171 00:20:16.288 --> 00:20:16.769 No, 172 00:20:16.763 --> 00:20:17.034 it's, 173 00:20:17.034 --> 00:20:17.483 he, 174 00:20:17.483 --> 00:20:20.453 it's not cheap and although, 175 00:20:20.483 --> 00:20:20.903 you know, 176 00:20:20.933 --> 00:20:24.864 it's all over the place it was in that moment, 177 00:20:24.923 --> 00:20:34.044 there was a time of healing of being recognized and seen for who I was and who I am and it felt like there was support. 178 00:20:38.183 --> 00:20:49.284 For the next sort of section we've got the impact of having them not used. Um, I kind of had a different experience with some of my family. Most of my family has been. Wonderful. 179 00:20:49.284 --> 00:20:58.344 They've been trying their best, but I did have some experiences with my grandparents where they decided that. 180 00:20:59.693 --> 00:21:09.864 They did not want to use my pronouns, unless I gave them exactly what they were wanting in terms of behavior, in terms of communication, that sort of thing. 181 00:21:10.493 --> 00:21:11.034 So, 182 00:21:11.034 --> 00:21:14.784 when I corrected my grandmother in this scenario, 183 00:21:14.814 --> 00:21:15.472 um, 184 00:21:15.923 --> 00:21:19.374 she told me that she would not be using my pronouns correctly, 185 00:21:19.374 --> 00:21:21.953 unless I told her what she wanted to hear, 186 00:21:22.733 --> 00:21:24.384 which took the heart, 187 00:21:24.384 --> 00:21:26.634 and she's gotten a bit better. 188 00:21:26.634 --> 00:21:33.983 Now, I explained to her after I had calm down a little bit from that, that, like, you know, that's not okay. That's. 189 00:21:34.733 --> 00:21:46.824 Kind of a basic sort of respect that you can offer to anyone is to identify them correctly and she's starting to get better but it's, 190 00:21:46.854 --> 00:21:47.243 uh, 191 00:21:48.144 --> 00:21:54.413 it kind of it's almost like a physical pain that manifests but there's nothing that you can do to treat it. 192 00:21:54.834 --> 00:21:57.114 It's just there and sort of digging in. 193 00:21:59.453 --> 00:22:05.604 I don't know current, it's Margaret and Andrew, I wanted to just gently step in. 194 00:22:05.634 --> 00:22:19.794 I've had some questions in the chat and then Q and a, and I'm wondering if I can just put those out to you, because they are somewhat related to what you were talking about. And also, according to what you were talking about, in terms of pronouns. 195 00:22:20.969 --> 00:22:23.999 So, I'll just I'll read this question. 196 00:22:23.999 --> 00:22:28.499 Can can we give an example of wheel pronouns. 197 00:22:30.624 --> 00:22:44.064 Yeah, so, like, I had mentioned, um, some examples of Neo pronouns would be easier here or fair. They function in the same way that you would use they them pronouns. 198 00:22:44.483 --> 00:22:50.094 So fade forgot their wallet here. I like, I might go back to give it to fare. 199 00:22:52.048 --> 00:23:02.669 And, yeah, the info graphic that you guys will have access to, after the webinar should have more information as well. Um. 200 00:23:02.669 --> 00:23:09.358 But they're just stuff on a different set of gender, neutral terms that you can use for someone. 201 00:23:09.358 --> 00:23:17.548 The other question that's just come in if a person is born female, and now uses the pronouns them. 202 00:23:17.548 --> 00:23:23.729 And is now a transgender person how do I speak about them to family and friends? 203 00:23:23.729 --> 00:23:31.288 For example, originally I would say my daughter is doing well, what should I say now? Your child. 204 00:23:31.794 --> 00:23:46.134 So, yeah, usually, I would recommend say your child my child is doing well, or my kid is doing well, whichever I'm familiar term kind of feels more comfortable or even just ask them what they would prefer. 205 00:23:46.523 --> 00:23:48.173 You identify them as to family. 206 00:23:50.459 --> 00:24:05.394 Thanks for so so we were talking about the impact of not using pronouns and I, I don't feel free to jump in corn with me on this. And because I think it's. 207 00:24:05.729 --> 00:24:14.308 I think it's very layered and it comes from many different directions. And so I think there is the daily grind. 208 00:24:14.308 --> 00:24:17.338 That happens where people, you know. 209 00:24:17.338 --> 00:24:22.763 Will you experience moments in your days where people miss gender you people who know you, 210 00:24:22.763 --> 00:24:25.492 whether the person at the importance, 211 00:24:25.492 --> 00:24:33.682 or whether it's your family or whether and it happening over and over and over and over can really be deflating. 212 00:24:34.048 --> 00:24:47.219 Right and it takes a little bit out of you every single time it happens and I notice that it erodes my ability at times to be resilient. 213 00:24:47.219 --> 00:24:56.098 To come back when it happens over and over and over, it takes a while for me to come back from it because it's so. 214 00:24:56.098 --> 00:25:09.509 It's so deflating it feels like I haven't been seen it feels that I haven't been heard or recognized. And and then I think there are those, those moments where. 215 00:25:10.193 --> 00:25:17.663 There when it's an event that happens where you experience that, and I know that, you know, in health care, right? 216 00:25:17.693 --> 00:25:30.983 11 place where sometimes you would think that there would be some more knowledge and more acceptance of transgendered folks that's sometimes going to the hospital can be a nightmare being a trans person, 217 00:25:30.983 --> 00:25:35.003 and having to explain your body what they're going to see, 218 00:25:35.003 --> 00:25:37.913 and continually being misgendered. 219 00:25:37.913 --> 00:25:49.253 All the way along by doctors by nurses, by support people, and that can, that can be really kind of a dramatic event that that happens. 220 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:59.338 To a person that is very impactful to their, their sense of well, being their sense of safety. Um, sometimes it doesn't feel safe. 221 00:25:59.338 --> 00:26:03.598 And where did you want to add anything. 222 00:26:03.598 --> 00:26:11.483 I think you summed it up pretty well. Yeah, there is definitely that sort of daily grind kind of feeling to it. 223 00:26:11.634 --> 00:26:25.913 And I know up until recently I was, uh, anytime I would open my mouth and public, it was constantly, uh, even if the person I was interacting with originally was like oh, Hello sir. Nice to meet you. 224 00:26:25.913 --> 00:26:35.183 What can I do for you? As soon as I spoke, it would be oh, sorry, ma'am. And I'm just like, no, you you got it right? The 1st sort of thing. 225 00:26:38.009 --> 00:26:47.308 And I noticed that we've got a question here in the chat about how to handle if you accidentally miss gender, someone, um. 226 00:26:47.308 --> 00:27:00.269 My recommendation is, if you accidentally miss gender, someone just correct yourself quickly. Try not to make a really big deal out of it because when you make a scene. 227 00:27:00.269 --> 00:27:06.689 Like, the whole oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry as much as it's. 228 00:27:06.689 --> 00:27:15.834 As much as we appreciate the apology of course, it kind of just highlights the issue that happened and it just draws more attention to it. 229 00:27:16.253 --> 00:27:22.824 And it puts the emotional burden on the person who was just hurting that scenario. 230 00:27:22.913 --> 00:27:31.644 The best thing is to, for example, if it was with me, if someone gendered me as female incorrectly, it would be sort of like. 231 00:27:32.189 --> 00:27:45.328 Oh, sorry, he finished the conversation and then if you're comfortable, after words, you can step aside with the person and apologize and just commit to do better. 232 00:27:45.328 --> 00:27:48.538 Yeah. 233 00:27:49.074 --> 00:27:59.544 I don't know Courtney, you've noticed that, with the pandemic wearing masks has been difficult around being misgendered a lot. I agree with you too. That, you know, sure. 234 00:27:59.574 --> 00:28:00.713 Evil people may call me, 235 00:28:00.713 --> 00:28:01.284 sir, 236 00:28:01.284 --> 00:28:03.173 he but when they hear my voice, 237 00:28:03.354 --> 00:28:07.824 they hear they don't hear a masculine voice and so they switch is, 238 00:28:07.824 --> 00:28:14.364 you've talked about to she and with the masks I've noticed, 239 00:28:14.364 --> 00:28:17.094 I get more manned than ever before. 240 00:28:17.398 --> 00:28:20.759 And. 241 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:21.324 So Courtney, 242 00:28:21.324 --> 00:28:21.864 and Andrew, 243 00:28:21.864 --> 00:28:24.983 I'd like to because we have time and we, 244 00:28:25.074 --> 00:28:25.703 uh, 245 00:28:25.733 --> 00:28:27.743 this is becoming a bit of a discussion, 246 00:28:27.743 --> 00:28:38.334 which is so important and as a questions continue to come up in our chat and we focus on the lived experience right now I'd like to return us, 247 00:28:38.483 --> 00:28:38.933 uh, 248 00:28:38.963 --> 00:28:40.314 to what you said, 249 00:28:40.314 --> 00:28:40.913 Karen. 250 00:28:41.364 --> 00:28:55.794 Um, and what Andrew said so, 22 points that are speaking to me that I love for us to just spend a little bit more time with, is this, um, is is when Andrew mentioned the daily grind. 251 00:28:57.294 --> 00:28:58.854 And core, 252 00:28:58.854 --> 00:29:00.653 and the emotional burden, 253 00:29:01.403 --> 00:29:04.673 and as a member of the community myself, 254 00:29:05.003 --> 00:29:05.844 um, 255 00:29:05.874 --> 00:29:09.443 I have often been in discussions with other members, 256 00:29:09.503 --> 00:29:09.834 uh, 257 00:29:09.864 --> 00:29:12.864 around this notion of coming out. 258 00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:21.028 Um, and that, uh, sometimes there's this feeling that members of the community come out once. 259 00:29:21.028 --> 00:29:24.388 When really we are. 260 00:29:24.388 --> 00:29:27.689 Coming out all the time. 261 00:29:27.689 --> 00:29:33.628 Right and this is something that we experience on a daily basis. 262 00:29:33.628 --> 00:29:41.729 No map it in reference to our own identities and so perhaps we can spend a little bit more time in that space. 263 00:29:41.729 --> 00:29:45.929 If you would like to. 264 00:29:45.929 --> 00:29:49.499 Sure. 265 00:29:49.499 --> 00:29:53.278 Um, when it comes to, like. 266 00:29:53.278 --> 00:29:54.804 More on the emotional burden, 267 00:29:54.834 --> 00:29:55.433 um, 268 00:29:57.114 --> 00:30:03.624 when it comes to educating people on things as deeply and set as, 269 00:30:03.683 --> 00:30:03.864 like, 270 00:30:03.864 --> 00:30:04.584 identity, 271 00:30:05.243 --> 00:30:11.304 it does involve a lot of emotional labor to constantly be reaffirming your own identity to people. 272 00:30:11.334 --> 00:30:20.394 Especially when it comes to situations, like, for example, like Andrew said with the daily grind, um, sometimes it's. 273 00:30:20.903 --> 00:30:30.534 A matter of we just have to figure out which battles are more worthwhile to fight if it comes to just like a cashier in a grocery store. 274 00:30:30.534 --> 00:30:43.733 Is it really worth putting in that emotional labor to correct people? Or is it less emotionally taxing? Just to take being misgendered and kind of move on and it's. 275 00:30:43.979 --> 00:30:47.219 Definitely a bit of a struggle day to day. 276 00:30:48.628 --> 00:30:59.483 Thank you. So, right corn it's about making those making choices and sometimes, it's it is deciding which, which battle to have and not to have. Right? 277 00:30:59.483 --> 00:31:13.673 Because at the end of the day, it's about your personal well, being and your mental health and your emotional health and how you feel. And sometimes it's just not it's not worth that. 278 00:31:14.963 --> 00:31:16.044 And but. 279 00:31:16.378 --> 00:31:22.884 You know, I think also, to shares point about coming out, I'm constantly coming out. Right? 280 00:31:23.124 --> 00:31:32.334 Just doing this webinar even though even even though I'm known as 1 of the counselors that I'm an LGB 2 person, and I'm a trans person just doing this. 281 00:31:32.334 --> 00:31:43.554 Webinar is me coming out to however many people we have here who are participating I'm coming out, but yet again right? And for me. 282 00:31:43.949 --> 00:31:53.278 The work that I've chosen to do in the world is to take on that leadership role to educate people to do that emotional. 283 00:31:53.278 --> 00:31:58.798 And I want people to know that not everybody not every person wants to do that. 284 00:31:59.394 --> 00:32:13.463 So, to harness of who who does, and who it is, that you can go to, to ask your questions, because it's not everybody that wants you to. You want people to come to them to ask all sorts of questions about being trends. 285 00:32:13.733 --> 00:32:27.473 So, finding the resources in your community, I think is important, or you can have those open honest conversations with folks but know that there is continually, it can be deflating. It can be eroding. 286 00:32:27.683 --> 00:32:39.144 It can be difficult to be resilient. There's lots of self care that we have to do and it really kind of when you miss gender us, even though some people's reactions are, this is not. 287 00:32:39.898 --> 00:32:49.733 It's not a big deal, but if I hear it 10 times in 1 day, it is a big deal and it does impact my self esteem. 288 00:32:49.733 --> 00:33:04.554 It does impact my ability to feel good about myself and how I present in in the world. So, I think, you know, to be aware of, of the impact, the intent may be not to harm, but the impact. 289 00:33:04.979 --> 00:33:07.979 Can be quite different and I think is really important. 290 00:33:09.328 --> 00:33:16.439 And to that point, we do know that there is more and more and more research. 291 00:33:16.439 --> 00:33:23.334 That reflects the reality of members of our community when, 292 00:33:23.753 --> 00:33:32.213 in these experiences of Mr or exclusion on not only mental health and wellness, 293 00:33:32.483 --> 00:33:33.263 but on. 294 00:33:33.628 --> 00:33:39.594 Capacities to thrive to learn to generate to collaborate. 295 00:33:39.983 --> 00:33:49.314 And so we hold that as we come to understand what it means to be an ally and what it means to be in community together. 296 00:33:49.709 --> 00:34:03.209 Um, especially within our learning organizations, I think we have time for 1 question right now, Karen and Andrew are you open to a question at this point? 297 00:34:03.209 --> 00:34:10.409 Sure. Yep. Okay. Great. So, corn did you want to see. 298 00:34:10.793 --> 00:34:21.204 I think I have been answering some of the questions in the text chat. Um, I do see that we've got 1 to all panelists. 299 00:34:21.893 --> 00:34:34.793 Should you correct others if they have misgendered someone if you are not sure that person is public with their pronouns. So, of course, can only speak from my own experience. 300 00:34:34.824 --> 00:34:41.664 And the experiences that I've had with peers who are also part of the trans community, but. 301 00:34:43.284 --> 00:34:57.864 Of those that I am in frequent contact with, we usually like to say, and this is thanks to my friend Ray. I love this little phrase that they gave me, um, when in doubt they it out. 302 00:34:59.543 --> 00:35:04.494 So, usually the recommendation from at least appears that. I have. 303 00:35:04.494 --> 00:35:16.673 And those I've spoken to is if you're not sure if someone is out publicly try to go for gender neutral, that is usually gonna cause the least harm. 304 00:35:16.764 --> 00:35:31.373 But 1st, and foremost, I would always ask the person that you are trying to be an ally to definitely ask them. If they have been kind enough to let, you know, their pronouns ask them. 305 00:35:31.403 --> 00:35:38.844 If they would like you to use a different set, when public or when with certain people, because people. 306 00:35:39.088 --> 00:35:47.099 Without their consent can put them in danger. So it's always better to be safe than to be sorry. 307 00:35:47.454 --> 00:35:50.934 I agree corn I think that if somebody comes out to you, 308 00:35:51.112 --> 00:35:54.684 it doesn't mean that they're out to everybody and it may be, 309 00:35:54.684 --> 00:35:54.923 you know, 310 00:35:54.923 --> 00:36:05.903 you need to check in with that person about is it okay to use your pronouns that you shared with me that you're a transportation and public, 311 00:36:06.143 --> 00:36:07.253 because you say corn, 312 00:36:07.253 --> 00:36:12.173 it just might not be safe and they may not want to do that. 313 00:36:12.173 --> 00:36:23.753 So, just because somebody is out to you does not give anybody the right to then be out say that out loud to public spaces. Right? So always always check with the person. 314 00:36:24.684 --> 00:36:37.193 Yeah, usually, if you don't have the option to check with someone using, they them pronouns is typically safe, but you don't want to use they them pronouns exclusively. If someone has told you to do otherwise. 315 00:36:37.193 --> 00:36:45.534 So always check in either before, or after the fact if you can, and just make sure that everyone is feeling safe and secure. 316 00:36:47.458 --> 00:36:57.478 Thank you so much Cory and Andrew for your willingness to share not only about, um, what it was, like, the 1st time that you were. 317 00:36:57.478 --> 00:37:03.324 Uh, uh, embraced with your accurate or correct. Pronouns. 318 00:37:03.324 --> 00:37:05.483 That was so moving and meaningful, 319 00:37:05.514 --> 00:37:05.903 I think, 320 00:37:05.903 --> 00:37:17.873 for our community for all of us and also for sharing the struggles and the impact of miss because I think this is something that is really, 321 00:37:17.873 --> 00:37:25.043 really important as we strive for creating inclusive communities and positive space. 322 00:37:25.463 --> 00:37:37.463 And so I'd like to turn it over now and invite Dina to our discussion and to help us reflect on what it means to be all of us as an ally. 323 00:37:37.978 --> 00:37:50.309 Um, so Dina. Hi, everyone, thank you sherry and thank you Andrew for sharing. So, what does in community look like, and feel like. 324 00:37:51.173 --> 00:38:01.373 I think sherry said it best when she started with sitting with coming to the table together, or to the bench, right? This beautiful bench saga campus. 325 00:38:02.123 --> 00:38:02.514 To me, 326 00:38:02.514 --> 00:38:02.994 personally, 327 00:38:02.994 --> 00:38:08.063 it's really sitting together holding space for 1 another through authentic relationships, 328 00:38:08.094 --> 00:38:16.733 authentic conversations and ally ship and actually 1 of the intentions in the chat at the beginning of our session was, 329 00:38:16.764 --> 00:38:18.983 I want to be a better ally. 330 00:38:19.554 --> 00:38:26.963 We all want to be better allies because not because we're not good. It's because we can all afford to be better. 331 00:38:29.065 --> 00:38:43.494 So I'll speak from my own experiences, because to me, being ally is really transcending intention into action and it really starts with awareness awareness of my own identity with my own social location. 332 00:38:43.494 --> 00:38:53.065 And how does it intersect? Excuse me, with systems of oppression? It means recognizing the privilege that I have. 333 00:38:53.429 --> 00:39:05.635 Right. So I am an ally, but I don't have to go through the daily grind. The Andrew talked about, in terms of the image gendered since the time I was able to fill in forms. 334 00:39:05.664 --> 00:39:09.264 I've always found a box to check in my gender. 335 00:39:10.434 --> 00:39:18.925 I did not have to explain that being aware of my own sexual and gender identity as assist gender sexual right. 336 00:39:19.284 --> 00:39:29.335 Understanding that when I want to use a public washroom, I can find 1, and I can walk safely into that, walk from or feeling safe. And actually. 337 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:38.280 To sherry's point about learning from and with when Andrew and I were talking today, I was thinking. 338 00:39:38.635 --> 00:39:49.945 I actually have taken the I've taken my privilege of my gender identity for granted, 339 00:39:50.005 --> 00:39:54.474 because I've never had anyone mistaken my identity and I don't have that fear. 340 00:39:54.780 --> 00:40:06.420 Right the emotional burden and 1 might some people might mark my accent. That's a different story. They will not this gender. Me right? I'm always she or her. 341 00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:19.980 That also means reflecting further right? So, taking that privilege as an educator as well and thinking of the very careful intentional awareness of the language that we use. 342 00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:26.940 Right. So how does it look like in teaching and learning spaces? Do we use. 343 00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:32.489 Guys and ladies, instead of team, and folks or peers and colleagues. 344 00:40:32.489 --> 00:40:32.820 Right. 345 00:40:33.085 --> 00:40:38.844 Do we I don't pronouns to our communications in emails and in in, 346 00:40:38.844 --> 00:40:39.414 um, 347 00:40:39.445 --> 00:40:42.684 in letters we send right not to, 348 00:40:42.744 --> 00:40:43.315 uh, 349 00:40:43.554 --> 00:40:50.065 to make it performative but rather to kind of open the space at an invitation for other people to share their pronouns. 350 00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:53.610 Okay. 351 00:40:53.610 --> 00:40:57.840 What social media accounts do we follow? Right? Where are we learning from? 352 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:02.550 What's colors and resources? Are we sharing. 353 00:41:02.550 --> 00:41:06.090 Wait, what do our slides look like. 354 00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:10.860 Do they represent do they have a representation authentic representation? 355 00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:14.610 This bench is a beautiful matter metaphor of what it means. 356 00:41:14.610 --> 00:41:21.179 Right holding the space being present and speaking with not for not over. 357 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:35.940 Right so, being now, like, to me is really something we do, it's not something we are. It's something we think about every day and we take steps to challenge Disrupt. 358 00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:39.480 Those systems of oppression, it's a daily showing up. 359 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.599 Rather than telling, I don't commitments it's also a lot of learning and learning. 360 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.489 So learning about pronouns and. 361 00:41:50.489 --> 00:42:04.110 Finding comfort in the discomfort right? Well, will you make mistakes along the way? Absolutely but, like, client said apologize. Dissenter yourself. I've made some mistakes in mispronouncing pronouns. 362 00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:11.070 Right. Was it embarrassing? Absolutely. Right. Um, but you apologize you pause. 363 00:42:11.070 --> 00:42:19.860 You learn from it, and you actually learn to be more mindful of the language, because you understand the impact it has on the people. 364 00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:25.380 Um, don't put people in boxes don't assume. 365 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:29.579 Hey. 366 00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:33.989 And de center really, really the center, and we sent her the narrative. 367 00:42:33.989 --> 00:42:40.949 Think about what does it look like for you? What does an ally look like for you? What does it feel like. 368 00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:51.659 Pause on that think of that. And I'm going to end in community from these really believing in the collective liberation. 369 00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:57.269 The fact that we are in this together for all doing the work. 370 00:42:57.269 --> 00:43:07.260 To embody interconnectedness to think about ally as an action, not as a noun. Right? Not as an identity. 371 00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:11.789 So, what does it mean to you what does it look like or does it feel like. 372 00:43:11.789 --> 00:43:16.110 Maybe, if sharing the chat and maybe you pause and reflect. 373 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.965 Thank you thank you so much. 374 00:43:21.625 --> 00:43:34.344 Actually, may I add something of rejecting right here and I think being being an ally is also asking people, what does it mean? Trans people? 375 00:43:34.344 --> 00:43:37.224 What does it what does it look like for you? 376 00:43:37.795 --> 00:43:40.644 I was having this conversation with my daughter this morning, 377 00:43:41.244 --> 00:43:54.114 and I was thinking we were talking about being an ally and we were saying that sometimes we come with our own understanding based on our own identities of what does it mean to be an ally. 378 00:43:54.449 --> 00:44:00.750 Right, but we need to have these conversations with so so we can show up. 379 00:44:00.750 --> 00:44:14.730 For the people with the people behind the people. So Andrew coin cherry and everyone, thank you for sharing your wisdom. And thank you for sharing with me. What does that need to be an ally? Thank you. 380 00:44:17.545 --> 00:44:30.144 Thank you so much Dina, and thank you for the offering of ally as a verb and an action. And so as we move to our next, as we're moving toward the. 381 00:44:30.510 --> 00:44:42.715 Which really is making me sad and I have to say that I, I am so sad that our hour is coming to a close. I just I really would love to continue this discussion discussion. 382 00:44:42.715 --> 00:44:43.105 So, 383 00:44:43.465 --> 00:44:45.684 as we are moving forward to the, 384 00:44:46.074 --> 00:44:47.724 our final reflection, 385 00:44:48.085 --> 00:44:51.264 I do offer and welcome everyone, 386 00:44:51.295 --> 00:44:51.744 uh, 387 00:44:51.744 --> 00:44:53.125 to share in the chat, 388 00:44:53.125 --> 00:44:54.565 as Dana suggested, 389 00:44:55.164 --> 00:44:59.844 what it means to be an ally what what it means to ally. 390 00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:15.000 If we, if we will, if we can verb that out and and we'll return to actions, uh, in a few minutes. So we felt it was important members of the panel. 391 00:45:15.445 --> 00:45:30.144 As we started to move to the end of our time together to reaffirm our intention and to connect to the broader intention of what it means to build positive 392 00:45:30.144 --> 00:45:32.514 space and inclusive communities. 393 00:45:33.715 --> 00:45:34.045 You know, 394 00:45:34.045 --> 00:45:39.085 often times we have these concepts of positive space and such as, 395 00:45:39.114 --> 00:45:39.445 you know, 396 00:45:39.445 --> 00:45:41.994 these concepts can feel theoretical, 397 00:45:42.324 --> 00:45:45.385 or they can feel really conceptual and not, 398 00:45:45.864 --> 00:45:46.764 um, 399 00:45:47.065 --> 00:45:47.335 we, 400 00:45:47.364 --> 00:45:50.574 we maybe don't connect to them in a real way or a. 401 00:45:50.724 --> 00:45:54.414 I like to say, in an emotional way, or a feeling way. 402 00:45:55.139 --> 00:46:03.449 Um, those who work with me know that I'm I'm often going to be asking. Well, what's what's the human element in here? What's the feel in here? 403 00:46:03.449 --> 00:46:13.050 Um, and so I ask us, what does it actually mean to build positive space with? What does it mean. 404 00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:20.849 To desire for ourselves and for others to be held in positive space. 405 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:29.789 I feel that we also today have to ask ourselves after this experience. 406 00:46:29.789 --> 00:46:35.010 That we are having, how do our actions of declaring our pronouns. 407 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:42.300 Not just within these experiences, but in all of your experiences that follow today. 408 00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:49.469 How do they, how do the, how does the act of declaring your pronouns? 409 00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:55.769 Foster a positive space as I was reflecting on this. 410 00:46:55.769 --> 00:46:58.860 And my presence here today. 411 00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:06.659 I was reminded some time ago of the theme of our trends day of remembrance programming. 412 00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:10.349 Which focused on the fundamental question. 413 00:47:10.349 --> 00:47:16.380 Do you see me? Do you see me. 414 00:47:17.550 --> 00:47:24.719 So, I have to ask how does the declaration of our pronouns help I see each other. 415 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.920 Right. How does it open pathways. 416 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:41.159 For all of us to be seen, how does it create that potential to be seen? And why does it matter that might be something that you ask yourself? Why does it matter. 417 00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:48.389 So, from my experience, my lived experience, and my experience as an ally and an educator. 418 00:47:48.389 --> 00:47:55.260 In the space, there is 1 truth that keeps coming up for me in my own journey. 419 00:47:55.260 --> 00:48:01.199 Which is that I do believe deeply that the more that we have. 420 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.510 The courage to be seen, and to see others. 421 00:48:06.510 --> 00:48:09.750 Ultimately built our creative power. 422 00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:14.969 That we build power in that space when we are all seen. 423 00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:22.500 We are actually liberated and Dina mentioned this and why are we all liberated when we're seen. 424 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.150 Because we exhale. 425 00:48:27.150 --> 00:48:33.300 And for those of us who are educators and mentors and coaches and friends and allies. 426 00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:37.619 And learners, we know when people like sale. 427 00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:42.719 We know in those moments where we feel the exhale. 428 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:53.099 And we know we can't create ID, learn, engaging possibility, thinking, generate collaborate when we're behind an armor. 429 00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:57.449 So, when any of us are oppressed. 430 00:48:57.449 --> 00:49:01.199 We are all promised. 431 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:10.739 So, a commitment to positive space really liberates all of us. And Dana, thank you for referencing that within the context of Elijah. 432 00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:15.449 So, when we think about. 433 00:49:15.449 --> 00:49:23.039 Building a positive space we have to think about it in our actions forward. 434 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.679 And so, you know, the reality is, is that we are always. 435 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:37.920 No matter the context no matter if it's a webinar or if it's the classroom or if it's in a meeting, we are always holding space. 436 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.900 With members of diverse communities, it's not just in these webinars. 437 00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:50.849 And so we, we ask as community, what are those actions that we can take forward? 438 00:49:50.849 --> 00:49:56.159 What are those actions as we reflect on the experiences? 439 00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:02.489 What would you like to take forward? What is 1 action that you can take forward? 440 00:50:02.489 --> 00:50:07.650 To facilitate that feeling that sense. 441 00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:12.119 Of connection to carry what we are feeling today forward. 442 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:16.739 Into your lives. So Margaret, can you, would you. 443 00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:21.539 Move to the next slide and I do think we have some time. 444 00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:31.199 If members of our community want to either share an action that they might feel that they can carry forward within the chat. 445 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.610 Or if anyone has any thoughts or responses. 446 00:50:35.610 --> 00:50:38.610 That they would like to raise right now. 447 00:50:40.230 --> 00:50:53.815 We do have some time to open the floor. So I did see that a question did come in asking why someone would choose key. 448 00:50:53.815 --> 00:50:57.414 They instead of he him and. 449 00:50:58.614 --> 00:51:09.175 I think it's really a personal, a personal choice, as to which pronouns someone feels more comfortable with for me. Personally. 450 00:51:09.204 --> 00:51:21.445 I like to use him and they them pronouns, which is why I market down as he, they, um, because I identify more towards the non binary spectrum of mail. 451 00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:28.440 So, I like type here, gender, neutral pronouns. 452 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:33.449 More than I would like to hear female pronouns. So. 453 00:51:33.449 --> 00:51:41.429 If someone's going to refer to me in a way, that is not just mail. I would prefer that. It does. They them. 454 00:51:45.594 --> 00:51:57.324 Thank you corn. I'm not sure if Andrew has a different experience that he would like to comment on that with, but that's just from my own personal experience. That's not like. 455 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:05.159 That's not all across the board. How everyone who uses a combination of pronouns is going to feel. 456 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:20.034 Yeah, yeah, thanks corn. And I think also it's important to recognize that people's pronouns may change over time. So, when I, when I began my transition, I was really clear that I was going from female to male and that was it, it was a very clear projection. 457 00:52:20.514 --> 00:52:23.965 And then I started the trends, the transition process. 458 00:52:23.965 --> 00:52:25.945 And where I find myself now, 459 00:52:26.244 --> 00:52:29.724 is that my gender expression out in the world, 460 00:52:29.724 --> 00:52:31.315 I present is very masculine, 461 00:52:31.644 --> 00:52:33.684 but inside internally, 462 00:52:33.684 --> 00:52:40.585 I experience to be much more fluid and so from using key. 463 00:52:40.585 --> 00:52:46.465 And they is really representative of how I feel how I present outward and how I feel. 464 00:52:47.280 --> 00:53:01.769 Yeah, I can definitely empathize with that. If I had to sort of describe my own personal identity and how I feel inside it is, I don't feel female at all in any way shape sense or. 465 00:53:01.769 --> 00:53:08.610 Nuance of that form, but I do feel more. 466 00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:11.670 Towards the age gender spectrum. 467 00:53:11.670 --> 00:53:15.059 But mostly male. 468 00:53:15.505 --> 00:53:22.405 And that's a lot of a lot of people have a hard time kind of conceptualizing that but that's why I like to keep the gender neutral. 469 00:53:22.434 --> 00:53:32.425 They them pronouns as well as he him, because I feel it, it encompasses my identity a lot better than just the binary sense. 470 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:48.269 Thank you, corin and Andrew, is there any other questions or thoughts or responses? We did have some, um, to me, being an ally is to support rights. 471 00:53:48.269 --> 00:53:54.750 Um, equality and social movements, it's challenging, uh, hurtful language. 472 00:53:55.829 --> 00:54:03.480 Is there anything else that seeing each other? So that. 473 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:08.280 Comfortability is a constant for everyone, so we can all get. 474 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:13.949 Get on with our lives, our goals and grow to our fullest potential. 475 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:22.530 We have lots of notes about feeling appreciation to the panelists for sharing today. 476 00:54:23.909 --> 00:54:32.309 I share that appreciation so, as we come to the end of our time, I really want to express gratitude. 477 00:54:32.309 --> 00:54:35.400 Um, to our panelists. 478 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:41.789 Dana, Andrew. corin, thank you so much for your time today. 479 00:54:42.474 --> 00:54:53.155 For this being a part of pride month I have to just say for myself. It's it's this is the 2nd pride. That feels very different. 480 00:54:53.875 --> 00:54:57.894 Um, and it is hard for members of our community. 481 00:54:57.894 --> 00:55:12.625 This generally is a time that I do take off from work and and spend time with my families and my communities and so having these opportunities to come together and learn and to reflect. I'm just going to offer. 482 00:55:12.625 --> 00:55:25.284 Up is really important for me as a member of the community. I want to thank Margaret Sanderson and Alicia Sullivan, and to Jane to go beyond or teams and also to all of you who have joined us today. 483 00:55:25.735 --> 00:55:39.085 Thank you everyone for showing up for showing your interest and ultimately for showing your pride. I'm the only last thing. I do want to say is as. 484 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:50.364 As we move through pride month is that pride is a state of being and so let's all continue to connect to those feelings. 485 00:55:50.695 --> 00:56:05.155 Um, and to move forward and our commitment to fostering positive space to learn with and to learn from each other. I'd like to open it to the panelists for them to say they're Thank you's and for us to conclude. 486 00:56:08.875 --> 00:56:09.204 Well, 487 00:56:09.594 --> 00:56:09.954 1st, 488 00:56:09.954 --> 00:56:12.085 and I can think everyone's sherry, 489 00:56:12.085 --> 00:56:25.764 thank you for such a fantastic job of moderating and taking us through this experience together of learning and wondering and being curious about pronouns and the car, 490 00:56:25.764 --> 00:56:30.144 and for the work that you do and encourage you to continue doing that work, 491 00:56:30.505 --> 00:56:30.864 Dina, 492 00:56:30.864 --> 00:56:40.224 thank you so much for being an ally is really I'm really grateful to be doing this work with you and with all of you, 493 00:56:40.405 --> 00:56:40.855 Elisha, 494 00:56:40.885 --> 00:56:41.244 Margaret, 495 00:56:41.275 --> 00:56:43.434 thank you for your continued support. 496 00:56:48.150 --> 00:56:53.190 And so we know Dana, did you want to add something. 497 00:56:54.804 --> 00:57:09.175 Thank you Andrew sherry clan Margaret please of course, and the entire community for holding space for each other for being community and joining the conversation happy pride. Everyone. 498 00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:23.670 Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Everyone. 499 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:30.719 Until our next inclusive series, we will see you then have a great day.